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  • If we strip all context from the original circumstance, I imagine we could.

    But that’s not what happened, is it? You elected to editorialize that the user is doing it to be fake-different and to gain attention, despite them never going out of their way to do so, never once that I’ve seen actually say it has anything to do with poisoning AI (not that it matters, either way), and never responding when people disparage them to their “face”; literally, just typing the way they want to type and not responding to the behavior of others, the literal opposite of seeking attention.

    Which any autistic person could tell you is highly relatable: they’re just off doing their own thing and it just infuriates the allistic folk who now have to make fun of them and say shit about them because, “Can’t they tell how annoying they’re being? Can’t they read social circumstances? I mean, I’m all for tolerance but they should really understand the way their behavior inconveniences me and makes me uncomfortable and now I’ve got make it their problem.”

    It annoys you; fine. Different strokes; but you didn’t just say it annoys you: you assigned motive and character to this person because you’re so annoyed and any neurodivergent person would recognize that behavior from when it happened to them.

    That’s clearly what AstralPath was referring to and you, then, lined up to the plate to participate further.

    That’s what I was pointing out; it’s not a generalized argument: it’s a capturing of an explicitly neurodivergent experience and taking it out of that context is, of course, going to make it fall apart.




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    12 days ago

    I think that’d make more sense if we’re considering the actual, underlying topic under debate but they were responding to gramie’s comment which didn’t challenge their assertion that the cows were hurt but just went (more or less): “counterpoint: ice cream is yum yum”.

    In that context, going “sex is pleasurable, too, but rape is still wrong” isn’t terribly out of left field, to me.

    But I get what you mean, for sure.



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    12 days ago

    I wouldn’t even know where to buy milk that doesn’t come from factory farming.

    I mean, that’s fair – I expect a lot of people don’t or don’t bother to do the research – but that’s still, definitionally, a contextual framework and isn’t universal. The premise that dairy consumption is universally (in all possible circumstances) evil assumes these arguments always apply; and they don’t.

    You can get milk from a cow without harming the cow or violently ripping away her calf. Maybe it’s difficult, etc. But it’s not impossible. So such a universal argument is simply incorrect.


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    I only mention this because I have the same rhetorical tendency and people always somehow seem to think I’m equating the two: it’s not a statement that milk equals rape. It’s highlighting (with a stark example, arguably an unnecessary one) that a person deriving pleasure from an act doesn’t make the act immediately good (I dunno, stealing candy from a baby? For a less “vivid” counter example; I admit, I tend to use super obviously morally bad counter examples too, thinking it’ll make things more overly clear, and, instead, causing someone to think I think they’re the same thing rather than just operating under the same principle, of differing degrees).

    (all that said, their argument doesn’t hold water, to begin with, as it’s not cruel or painful to the cow unless under factory farming and cows have no sense of ownership and don’t feel like their property is being “stolen”; a meal isn’t a proper meal if dairy isn’t involved, as far as I’m concerned)