Guangzhou, China
Anti-Homeless Spikes to keep them from finding shelter from the rain.China has an oversupply issue in housing construction in general. it is… as if the problem is not merely building too few houses (as some us centric yimby people believe) but rather an unjust system of resource distribution?
For a long time, property was the only allowed wealth that could be inherited. So China became littered with extremely poor construction that was never occupied, and is uninhabitable. There are also restrictions on who can be sold to - in rural areas owners cannot sell to urban buyers or institutions. This means they can’t mortgage their homes.
I’m okay with inheriting property, but you gotta pay for it. The whole passing it down is ludicrous, but I also feel like never owning anything is also not great. Goddamn nuance strikes again unfortunately.
And yet they have millions of what they call “vagrants” how curious.
The constantly connected seem to have a tough time parsing available housing and homelessness. Like, there are 100 homeless and 200 houses, why problem?!
maybe solve a housing crisis instead?
Is this whataboutism?
No because the post is specially about how the Chinese don’t do this, so it’s relevant.
But you don’t understand how big the US is! We can fit two Chinas in Texas! And we can put five Texases in Texas! Omg it’s so huuuuge you guys, public transportation would just not work here, like, ever!!
- some bootlicker, probably
This comment section goes to weird places, man.
Kinda like what few American trains still operate. O.o
Before Trump, America had democracy and no trains
Now it has no trains and no democracy
In America, even if you live in a city with good public transit, there’s frequently no way to get from one city to another. Greyhound routes are extremely limited, Amtrak seems to just loop around major metropolitan cities extremely slowly, and the price of a rental car has gotten out of control after COVID.
So even if you live in a city with strong infrastructure, you still have to buy a car unless you’re willing to be stuck in that city 99.9% of the time.
Sometime in my lifetime, I’d like to see America catch up with the rest of the world.
American planners wanting to draw something?
They rather use AI to generate their shitty ideas.
If we got rid of private property rights it would be a lot easier to build infrastructure.
Just sayin’
Yeah but even in places where a railroad already has right of way for train tracks they can’t get around to doing any upgrades
It’s billionaire cabal planners. The world is a juicy apple to them. America is just one more country. Not much special about it anymore.
Yeah china is much more efficient and cuts out the middle man by just killing the homeless and taking their organs.
Lmfao. Now we have FOX News on Lemmy or what? “THEY’RE EATING THE CATS AND THE DOGS” level shit
???
China’s organ harvesting programs is pretty well known?
Yeah? Where’s the evidence for it then?
Literal Fox News-level propaganda.
First link is Zionist island state propaganda. Taking seriously any accusation that the British Government makes about human right abuses is absolutely laughable given the constant genocide denial propaganda they’ve engaged in.
Second link, from the OHCHR, provides this evidence: “The experts said they have received credible information that detainees from ethnic, linguistic or religious minorities may be forcibly subjected to blood tests and […] ultrasound and x-rays”. This is all evidence provided.
Third link is two alleged “human trafficking experts” simply talking in an Irish institution, again, not bringing any evidence whatsoever.
All the accusations are also based off Falun Gong, a literal fucking cult in China that makes propaganda together with western institutions. It would be akin to China going to the fucking Jehovah Witnesses to make claims of patient right violations when they force blood transfusions on otherwise dying children despite their parents’ beliefs.
Bring me independent journalistic work as evidence, with concrete pictures, videos or confirmed such cases.
Your level of brainwashing or bad faith is frightening but in addition to pointing out that your comments on the above sources are largely incorrect, I leave you with a 1994 Human Rights Watch report that details primary source documents, often from the CCP. https://www.hrw.org/reports/1994/china1/china_948.htm#_1_3 You can also find other HRW reports, published academic articles and government and NGO reports listed at endtransplantabuse.org I’m going to block you now.
“I’m unable to find journalistic independent reports in contemporary China or any kind of material evidence, so here’s a report from over 30 years ago. You’re totally brainwashed by not believing western Zionist media, scary”
Okay, since I’m more than used to people arguing with me in bad faith in the internet.
Tell me, what evidence would I need to show you in order to change your mind?
Independent journalistic work providing material evidence of widespread such cases.
Things that are not independent journalistic work: Falun Gong (cult) claims, western political institution or individual politician claims / western tribunal or institutional hearing / western state propaganda apparatus (state and private media e.g. BBC, CNN) claims without serious material evidence (photographs and video pre-AI times, proof of judicial cases to victims or their families or lawyers) / anonymous interviews
Lmao, so nothing from the main victims, nothing from individuals, nothing from big news agencies, nothing from the last 5 years (or anything you could just baselessly claim is AI)
So as I expected you’re already aware of the evidence that’s available of this, but just refuse to believe it and then backfill whatever random excuse you want in order to justify ignoring the evidence. And pretty much the only evidence you would accept is a statement from the CCP themselves.
Surprised you’re not a .ml user to be honest.
nothing from the main victims
If by “the actual victims” you mean “US-funded cult Falun Gong”
nothing from individuals
“Eye-watering testimonies” (AKA atrocity propaganda) aren’t evidence of anything, they’ve been used time and time again by western institutions to justify horrifying military invasion, such as the case with Nayirah’s testimony. Want good evidence by individuals? Go to TikTok right now (preferably outside the USl and go find the thousand videos of actual violence against Palestinians carried out by themselves or by independent journalists.
nothing from big news agencies,
Western* big news agencies without material evidence behind it. Would you trust a Russia Today news segment on Ukrainians harvesting organs from Russian prisoners based on personal testimonies by Russian soldiers?
China: Force these people out of their homes, bulldoze them down, to make room for the rail line. Make people work 18 hours per day so we can build a railway that will fall apart within three years.
American Leftists: I wish we were more like China!
You say that as though the US doesn’t exercise eminent domain frequently. It’s a non-starter of an argument.
Conveniently, that bus stop also punishes anyone else who makes the mistake of waiting for a bus there.
Ugh, I just want a bench.
The bus also only arrives once every hour (inconsistently)
At this point they’re getting rid of the shelters entirely. I’d settle for not having to wait for a bus while standing in the rain
But a homeless person might suffer a little bit less if they aren’t wet
Also, if this person wants to take advantage of a homeless shelter they better not be a cigarette smoker or drug addict. Also be prepared to be pat down every time you leave or return the shelter for an hour window. Unless you’re working, then you can leave, you just better not have any deviation from your scheduled times or you’ll be put back out onto the street.
Damn you right. What if we just rip up the sidewalk and replace it with razor wire?
Let’s just skip to the end, plant a spiked sign that says “He who enters here, abandon all hope”, and just run pipes under the sidewalks to make them 80 degrees celsius. Make it look like Mordor, fuck everyone…rich and poor.
But then the poor won’t freeze to death… Can we fit liquid nitrogen in the budget instead?
No, I want the fire and brimstone again.
Hostile architecture. When you only want to fight the symptoms, not the cause.
My county paid money to put up signs at intersections specifically telling people not to give money to the homeless
Same. They were all over the place when I lived in the city. I made a habit of taking a can of spray on my walks and tagging them.
You should vandalize those, unironically
My city has a few of those, but specifically in places where the structure of the intersection has an island somehwre right in the middle of traffic, and people were being hit by cars frequently. Go pan handle somewhwre you’re not likely to be run over.
But the disdain extends to the elderly and pregnant women when it comes to our bus stops. They don’t have seats at all anymore. They even ripped out the seats that used to exist.
go panhandle somewhere you aren’t likely to get run over
Again, fighting the symptoms and not the cause. Cause, god forbid, we have pedestrian friendly infrastructure.
Pedestrians getting hit by cars is not the fault of the pedestrian. It is the result of inconsiderate drivers not paying attention with their two ton death machines and infrastructure designed to cater to drivers at the expense of being hostile to pedestrians
We’re not talking about pedestrians on planned intersections. We’re talking about not encouraging people to run onto an active highway. It’s rather hard to design a system for pedestrian safety and for drivers to avoid accidents when people break all the rules.
I feel like you lost track of the discussion
It was about pan handlers in an intersection. A highway makes no sense for pan handling because no one is going to stop on a highway to give money
In my city, there are large (8 lane) main arterial roads with fairly high speeds (80km/h) that have traffic light intersections and cross walks. The crosswalks work well with sidewalk islands, protective barriers, plenty of space, and provide lots of time for pedestrians to cross the rather large expanse. But when panhandlers set up on those sidewalk islands and then walk around traffic it can get very dangerous. I’ve see some close calls when people head back to their island bases after the cars have started. Unfortunately drugs play a role in this too.
That’s what they get for actively contributing fresh meat to that sick society.
There’s this intersection in Milwaukee where there’s a painting of a homeless looking immigrant holding a cardboard sign that says don’t give money to homeless people.
Can you also make the overpass racist?
purposefully designs the overpass to pass over a black community and evicts them all
*This is actuslly how roads were built in cities the past century. The project “segregation by design” has extremely good archiving of this
purposefully designs the overpass to pass over a black community and evicts them all
Adds black history mural along the same overpass
I think they were referring to Robery Moses, who purposefully designed overpasses too low for buses so buses from black neighborhoods couldn’t go to Jones Beach anymore.
In my city they didn’t make overpasses. They built massive earthworks around the minority sections of town with highways on top of them.
The amount of black/brown neighborhoods in Milwaukee with random infrastructure is absurd. Like why is there an entrance to the highway on this side street?
Lmao no imagine being the guy who designed that
“You want me to draw what ?”
“Torture bus stop. Make spikes that stick into their butts. But, uh… make it look 🌠Geometric🌠, so we can pass it off as an innocent post-modernist design quirk.”
What a great bus stop, it looks so snazzy and appropriate. Can you make it hurt people
Ha, I get it! This is funny because there are no American planners.
American planner here. We don’t actually get to plan shit. We end up being the middlemen between developers and Council. We explain all the rules we didn’t get to make, the developers explain to council how hlthey don’t even want to follow those rules, then Council overrules us and gives the devs whatever they want.
I have seen it in action in city council meetings.
No shortage of American planners. They just work in hedge funds and board rooms
I stand corrected!
So it’s not funny? Oh dear
