If those people were involved. They would know better. As is the perceived loss of momentum only exists within those watching the right wing media.

Anyone watching the party as a member validating the movement rationally in only 2 months. Knows better.

Facts. With no policy, no name, no positive press and only the principal of true membership democratic control and support for the worker. Your Party has 50000 active members. Going into it’s first conference on Nov 29th. To democratically agree to the rules and process required to run it.

Show me a party in history that was so far in 2 months from initial announcement.

Then ask why the right wing media wants the party formation to look bad. Rather then fair comparison to other parties.

Why the hell is this so confusing to people.

The party is a democratic one run by the members. As such everything about it is down to members approval.

Unlike Labour who have votes at conference but totally ignore the will of it’s members.

your Party constitution will state “Conference Is sovereign”. At least after the members accept the founding docs it will.

The Same goes for the name. It has not failed to select a name. It’s whole plan is to elect the name in the conference on Nov 29-30th.

This stupid idea that the party is slow or disorganised. Is entirely right wing media bullshit. The party has existed for less then 2 months.

No other party in history has gone from vague idea to fully formed in that time. Every single party in history has huge disagreements and takes time to organise process.

Edit: What YP is trying to do is totally unique. Also very nessesery given how little control the public has over any other UK political party.

Forming a democratic party requires strong and agreed rules that both ensure principles while allowing membership to have full control over the leadership.

Everything happening within the party is down to ensuring this happens. And is happening very effectively.

Then stand up and oppose it being used as an anti immigration symbol. Because after the BNP copted it. Any org using it as a sign opposing immigration. Is very clearly an obviously attempting to use that history to scare. Not as a sign patriot ideals.

They have been under attack from the right since 2010. Well long before, but 2010 on the Tories were successful at embedding biased leadership.

But. The panarama editing thing was wrong on their part. And unnecessary to make their point.

The current attracks from all angles is hardly a suprise when the BBC itself opens itself for such calls of bias.

The delay in the attack is the only strange issues.

Facts don’t have bias.

Those who deny science without both reviewed data, from multiple sources and an alternative hypothesis. Are not expressing bias. They are lieing.

Yeah. But the term “Crime Network” is clearly designed to indicate some form of organised crime.

Invoking / reinforcing fear . When the translation is. Imagrant owned and Family run stores are more likely to offer a helping hand to people going through difficulties.

And just like British families and community friends will often offer underhand assistance to benefit claiments and struggling relatives and friends in their community.

But when folks that look different do it. It’s organised crime.

Also one of the least complicated to fix.

If WE spend our time only wanting the gov to spend time on major issues. The billionaires will run circles around us forcing nothing to improve.

The government is not a single task queue. It can address multiple issues and must.

I think a bit of both. Honestly all parties have these issues. The Tories are constantly in some form of infighting. The media is much less interested in reporting it.

But we have to be honest. This really is the first truly democratic party to try and set up. Just how democratic it is intended to be is again ignored by the media. The leadership of the party. Will have 0 right to override the membership votes of conferences. As absolutely every other party dose all the time. “Conference is Sovereign” is a key part of the party’s draft constitution.

MOU ltd was set up intentionally to limit the ability of any one part of the party controlling the finance and taking control of the party through that.

It’s hardly a suprise that internal questions and debates about the intents and genuine motives of some members come up. Or that any debates about motives delay data and funds passing out of that company. It was intentionally set up to be difficult if disagreements develop.

It also makes it the first port of call. If any group is trying to derail this attempt early in the set up. So also the point where any early debate is expected to happen. It is at these early forming points that most new political movements have to fight external influences taking control. So also where care is most important.

The media is very much using that delays and legal issues to indicate the party is unprofessional. While making no effort to look at the initial plans for the company or why such delays are intended.

The party is under 2 months old. No party has ever gone from formation to fully working in that time. While modern processing makes such things easier. It also leads to totally false expectations from the human beings involved. At the end of it humans still have to work through disagreements and understanding.

Agreed. But let’s ensure we get the wording correct.

Tax wealth income equally.

Because just saying tax the rich. Allows the rich to claim we want to increase higher income taxes. Leaving the left arguing with people who should be on our side.

They do this intentionally to divert the argument from real wealth. Because they know their arguments against taxing wealth fall down when openly challenged. So using higher income earners to distract the argument. Saves them defending their real income source.

Nationalise the gas powered station. At the value, they have minus gov support. IE without the artificial price hikes.

The run/staff them at a loss just as an emergency option.

Nods. It is also why the media uses such numbers.

It is intentionally trying to make a news article out of the profit rather then the size of the corperation.

The media’s owners etc. Do not want voters spending to much time worrying about how large corperation s are able to overpower all competitive attempts from new businesses. It goes against all the advantages they sell about capitalism. And may encourage voters to call for the breakup of such corps.

It is huge. But so is the company so % is the only datathat matters.

On a store by store comparison. The average turn over of a local corner shop. Would not be able to support a family on 5% profit margins. They tend to function on 10 to 15%. And that is low compared to other industries.

As I pointed out. The issue is more. Tescos is so huge. 5%. Allows it to destroy all but other huge competition. So it prevents competition from ever getting a foot hold.

As all large corperation s will do when given the opportunity.

Hmm. As much as I am willing to criticise huge profits.

Tescos turn over is approx £71b so £3.1 is below 5%

That really dose not seem like a huge profit. I’d honestly be more worried that only very large companies can really run on low % profit and survive. Meaning their existence allows them to put compete local mum and Pop companies.

Def should be that simple.

Unfortunately, over the last 2 decades. We have seen a huge effort from the right wing. To remove that limitation. Mainly funded from the same billionaires that fund such crap in the US where such rules do not exist.

The left needs to work hard to ensure these challenges are both identified and publicised for what they are. An attempt to licence lieing to the public.

Personally I think it is a Victorian idealism. As in the common refusal to accept same sex relationships existed.

The whole idea of separating sex somehow providing privacy. Completely misses the point. While also allowing reduced funding in care and provision of bathroom spaces.

As such while almost every other issue has been discussed or addressed at some point by politicians. The idea that all bathroom and change spaces should be privacy provisioned to allow all genders to share with no embarrassment at all. Has been ignored as an inconvenience not worth addressing.

I remember small groups of terf MPs calling for legislation. But no legislation actually being pushed in parliament. I’ll search when I have time. As an older fart my memory may be going ;).

The important thing to remember. Comparing me,bership of left wing parties to right is valueless.

Not only is membership not an indicator of voting intent. And way less so of voting distribution. Something that really matters in our system.

But the left is the only side that depends on it for fiscal support. All centre and right parties would rather appeal to corperation and wealthy ndoners. Then high membership numbers.

While to us on the left high numbers is great to compare funding options. Comparing it to Tory membership means nothing at all.

Do they honestly think that is a threat.

Such an announcement would be marginally less pleasing. Then Thames waters creditors declaring bankruptcy

Love the creativity.

But all I can think of after reading that. Is about these submariner birds id never seen that can spend 15 years under water.

Also BP had teck to refine petrol during oil extraction. No wonder we fucked the planet.

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Exactly this. The job of parliament is to maintain and update laws as society understanding changes.

Refusing to address an issue because a tiny paranoid section of society is scared with zero evidence of the risk they fear. Is just refusing to do that job.

But (and ,oat know this but it needs pointing out.) younger people not voting allows politicians to delay addressing issues. Hence why so many laws have taken so long to change.